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[大瀚XD]

如果5.56那麼不被看好
早就被取代
那為什麼一堆西方國家(包刮我國)還是用5.56?
XM8這把應該算是多功能槍枝吧?
那為什麼被美軍停用?德國也沒再用吧?
倒是還在用G36?

[TX9999]

那些沒大腦的....就別在意了吧....像我在學校糾正他們 反而會被嗆....蠻屌的例子:M249叫做B51.......那是哪一台轟炸機嗎? 真是的.....

在現實生活中糾正人不是好事.. 反而經常自己吃虧

某次國防通識課 教官點道 什麼是B52 結果有人竟然說是機槍 .. 由於為了化解這個令人傻眼的場面 我自告奮勇說出 "堡壘轟炸機" 解決.. 沒想到倒楣的日子就開始了 以後國防課教官總是第一個點我問 (雖然似乎顯得能夠理解某些問題 但是這樣問題總是朝自己飛來..)

[smallU]

這是啥卡通?

台版翻譯"厄夜怪客"
著名台詞"諸君，我喜歡戰爭"

[ChrisVitali]

如果5.56那麼不被看好
早就被取代
那為什麼一堆西方國家(包刮我國)還是用5.56?
XM8這把應該算是多功能槍枝吧?
那為什麼被美軍停用?德國也沒再用吧?
倒是還在用G36?

政治因素!?

錯就一直錯下去吧!?(誤

多爬文 大概就知道原因了XD

[Feldwebel]

所以我才喜歡Mi-24勝過UH-60

拿來載BC2的四人小組剛剛好!? http://bfx.tw/public/style_emoticons/def...

但利用Mi-24本身的重火力清除障礙後，再把強力的陸戰人員下去來癱瘓敵方防禦的戰鬥是不少的
雖然他的體積大容易被擊中(不過看起來就是比較威)，但對付防空力較弱的敵人應該是很好用，也很適合用於早期戰爭的突擊戰吧

喜歡一種東西不一定是因為它有很多優點喲!!不過還是謝謝你的指教

這個,兩者是不能並存的...

Mi-24要是想滿載士兵的話它的外掛火力得縮減到只能帶兩個火箭筴倉
要是天氣比較熱甚至連火箭筴倉都不能帶
光靠機首那挺射角有限的機槍Mi-24的壓制能力等於零...

[Feldwebel]

FAL不管長度.重量.口徑.性能.都跟G3一樣.外型也差不多~~所以沒關西~~~~(誤

我一時找不到照片,不過那張照片上的彈匣上有G3彈匣專有的圓形肋條

長壽香那個外型怎麼可能跟G3弄混....

[Feldwebel]

如果5.56那麼不被看好
早就被取代
那為什麼一堆西方國家(包刮我國)還是用5.56?
XM8這把應該算是多功能槍枝吧?
那為什麼被美軍停用?德國也沒再用吧?
倒是還在用G36?

XM8當初是要競標老美的OICW計畫
這計畫2004年就砍了當然不會有後續....

德老1996年才開始正式配發G36
XM8則根本是個換個殼的G36
德軍沒理由去換個只有外型不一樣的槍吧?

[MarineD_EN]

這張好像是5.56...

這張就有點像G3
G3據說是以試驗品的型式下去實戰 很早就退出了

HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON ASSAULT RIFLE "T223" 5.56mm

Manufactured by Harrington & Richardson, Worcester, Ma.

"Experimental 5.56mm (.223) assault rifle made in early 1960s by Harrington & Richardson and essentially a line copy of the German HK33 assault rifle. Roller locked delayed blowback operation. Selective-fire. Muzzle velocity 3,150 FPS. Cyclic rate of fire 650 to 750rpm with a practical rate of 160 rpm. Fed by 20 or 40 round detachable box magazine. Parkerized finish on all metal parts. This model with fixed stock. Complete with sling. Trigger housing group and magazine missing. Markings: Magazine housing: H&R INC./WORCESTER, MASS. T223 CAL. 5.56MM/NO. 0274. Butt: tape wrapped around butt bears the number 3. Weapon transferred to the Museum from the Ft. Sheridan Museum, Ft. Sheridan, Il. on 21 February 1986. Notes: Tested in SAWS program. A piece of masking tape wrapped around the butt bears the number 3 - possibly meaning test weapon. Notes: "Other countries in the NATO alliance could see a strong future for the .223 round after its official adoption by the U.S. military. Several small arms companies developed a number of weapons chambered for the high-velocity round, known as the 5.56x45mm round in NATO terminology. Heckler & Koch of West Germany designed a version of their G3 rifle to use the 5.56mm cartridge. The new weapon, known as the HK33, was imported into the United States by Harrington & Richardson of Worcester, Massachusetts. Marked as the H&R T223 rifle, the weapon was submitted to the U.S. Small-Arms Weapon Systems (SAWS) study for evaluation. The SAWS study ran from December 1964 to the submission of the final report in December 1966. During the study, a number of weapons were examined including the T223, M14, M16E1, and Stoner weapons system. One result of the SAWS study was a number of weapons being brought to the attention of the SEALS. Even though the empty H&R T223 was 0.9 pounds (0.41kg) heavier than an empty M16E1, the weapon had a forty-round magazine available for it and that made it attractive to the SEALS. One interesting point of the H&R T223 (HK33) is that it very much resembles a slightly smaller, 3.25 inch (8.3cm) shorter version of the 7.62mm NATO G3 rifle. In one much published picture of a number of SEALs in Vietnam, one SEAL is holding a T 223 but the weapon can only be seen from its top side. Since the HK33 and G3 are almost identical when viewed from the top, the weapon was identified as a G3 rifle, which the SEALs did not use during the Vietnam War. In an earlier-generation copy of the same picture, the long, curved, forty-round magazine can be used sticking out from the bottom of the weapon."
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Dockery: "Choices of weapons was left as much as possible up to the tastes of the individual SEAL. The squad had to carry a balance of firepower, but that wasn't any problem to accomplish. For myself, I had taken a liking to the Harrington & Richardson T223 rifle. The H&R T223 was an imported version of the German Heckler & Koch HK33. The weapon had been available for a few years, and the Team was evaluating it in combat. We had a lot of experimental weapons at the Team, and when I went over it was suggested that I take the T223 over and see what I thought about it. Though the weapon is slightly heavier than an M16, it fires the same ammunition, so ammo supply wouldn't be a problem. The Team had been using the AR-15/M16 rifles since its first days, but we only had the twenty-round magazines. There were some thirty-round magazines around, but they were few in number and hard to come by. One thing that immediately made the T223 appeal to me was the fact that it come with forty-round magazines. I liked the weapon. It was a lot easier to clean and maintain than the M16 and worked well in the jungle environment. While the other men of the platoon would be just starting to clean their weapons after an op, I would already be done and moving on to something else. The T223 (HK33) was good but it was a foreign (German) weapon and suffered from the 'not made here' school of thought. Later on, after Vietnam, the Teams would find it easier to obtain the weapons they liked best, and HK33's little brother, the 9mm MP5, became commonplace with the SEALs. My H&R came with four 40-round magazine, which I carried in the leg pockets on my cammies for a while. The magazines tended to rattle around and make too much noise on patrol but were too long to fit in an American ammunition pouch. I solved my problem by getting once of the Chicom AK47 chest-type magazine pouches and carrying my ammo in that." - Master Chief Boatswain's Mate Rudy Boesch, USN, Ret.

References:
Dockery, Kevin. WEAPONS OF THE NAVY SEALS. Berkley Books. N.Y., N.Y. 2004.
Fawcett, Bill, Ed. HUNTERS & SHOOTERS. AN ORAL HISTORY OF THE U.S. NAVY SEALs IN VIETNAM. Avon Books. N.Y., N.Y. 1995."

本篇文章已被 MarineD_EN 於 2010 年 06 月 26 日 - 下午 05:56 編輯過

[Feldwebel]

越戰時候老美自己就投入一堆怪兵器
連史東納機槍都拿來玩了
好像有啥都不奇怪...

本篇文章已被 下級士官 於 2010 年 06 月 26 日 - 下午 05:58 編輯過

[Feldwebel]

不過我記錯了,那隻是T223(HK33改)
持有部隊是SEALs

[大瀚XD]

大大你們有沒有聽說過AK-9?
它好像是AK家族裡最新型的槍枝
知道的話簡介一下吧!

[KC Jerry]

大大你們有沒有聽說過AK-9?
它好像是AK家族裡最新型的槍枝
知道的話簡介一下吧!

已經不是最新的了(望向AK-200
維基上的AK-9

[月SAS]

某名人說過:
不論5.56還是7.62、只要能殺死人就是子彈!
不論M134還是M61、只要能發射子彈就是槍!
不論共產還是資本、只要有人信就有壞元首!

[PNKE.TW]

M16使用瓦斯導管來退槍機
相比AK使用推桿來推槍機

AK顯的就沒有積炭的疑慮了

雖然經常性的清槍與保養可以解決這個問題
但越南戰場沒有時間去照顧槍枝

反觀AK 無論它泡水了 被沙土蓋住了 被悍馬車碾過了 在任何情況之下 拿起來 拉槍機 扣下板機 它都能回應你的需求 立即射擊

無論後世如何的比較 AK在越戰贏M-16是不爭的事實

[Feldwebel]

M16使用瓦斯導管來退槍機
相比AK使用推桿來推槍機

AK顯的就沒有積炭的疑慮了

雖然經常性的清槍與保養可以解決這個問題
但越南戰場沒有時間去照顧槍枝

反觀AK 無論它泡水了 被沙土蓋住了 被悍馬車碾過了 在任何情況之下 拿起來 拉槍機 扣下板機 它都能回應你的需求 立即射擊

無論後世如何的比較 AK在越戰贏M-16是不爭的事實

我還是第一次聽過會沒時間讓士兵清槍的....
不管是哪種槍,打完了以後有空就是大部分解開始清
要不然24小時內就會看到槍上面金屬部分長滿鏽斑
這可不是好不好看的問題,而是這些鏽會妨礙槍機運作
而且槍用火藥有強力的腐蝕性,不清掉槍枝的壽命會變的很短

比起M-16,AK有個更大的問題
因為材料的關係它的槍機比M16更容易生鏽
這會讓它原先放大的忍受範圍縮小
狀態良好的槍也許可以丟水埋沙給車子壓
問題是如果是用過的呢?
講AK槍機一拉就可以用
從越戰到阿富汗甚至傭兵的回憶錄都提到有懶鬼就是相信AK這麼可靠想說偷懶個一次不擦槍
結果實戰發現裡面的沙土灰塵甚至繡斑長到把槍機卡住根本拉不動

AK在越戰沒有贏任何人
不要講後世
元發明國USSR1965年就開始狗幹這支步槍
準度奇差,拆槍簡單但是保養手續繁複
後座力過大外加彈匣進彈不可靠
間接催生了AK74這個改良型
然後在北越手上它也沒創下啥傳奇
越戰美軍傷亡五萬人
北越自己的統計數字光軍人的傷亡數字就高達60萬
而且北越軍很多都是法越戰爭的老兵
比起來美軍戰力主要是由沒打過仗的死大學生跟速成ROTC組成的
如果AK真的這麼神
那這種1:12的交換比是怎麼出來的?

AK這支槍的傳奇很多是來自美國媒體的誇大不實報導
可以想想當年台灣新聞報導張錫銘拿著"M4A衝鋒槍"的時候我相信很多人都指著電視媒體大笑不專業
問題是同樣的東西在40年前被美國媒體亂搞卻被當成聖經.....

越戰的唯一勝利者是美國媒體
因為它創造了他說黑就是黑白就是白
多少有關越戰的傳說都是美國媒體自己胡搞瞎掰弄出來的
只是時代太久遠了,反而變成了既定事實....

本篇文章已被 下級士官 於 2010 年 06 月 26 日 - 下午 08:30 編輯過

[月SAS]

好東西是人定的!
美軍用M14打了很久突然來了批M16當然不好用就對了!而掉M16用AK是因為卡了彈就不如把M16掉在一旁,拿出手槍之後拾個出名不會卡的AK好了!而且回到基地又可以拿新貨和寫寫M16要改進的地方!
(別忘AK之所以成傳奇:是因為平價、火力強、在巴勒斯坦大人到小孩也拿著、世界近乎沒有一個國家是沒有AK、黑社會必備品、在冷戰時代年年上報紙最多、形象上AK等於蘇聯,蘇聯等於AK、AK生產快速、AK數量超過1億、有超越所有槍的心理打擊效果=AK的信譽良好!

[黑kuro.fr]

XM8基本上就是以G36為基礎開發的

而有些研究結果就用在G36A2上

既然有辦法在G36上改良

為何還需要一把只換了外殼的突擊步槍?

[cgn]

大家說的好像都親身用過的感覺~警察杯杯快來把他們抓走

忘了從哪聽來的~現代戰爭注重殺傷敵人~讓敵方失去作戰能力~還要麻煩同伴照顧

所以演變成槍越來越輕~攜彈量增加~殺傷力降低

有嗎?有這種說法嗎?

本篇文章已被 cgn 於 2010 年 06 月 27 日 - 上午 12:01 編輯過

[MarineD_EN]

負評被改掉了 真可惜

[PNKE.TW]

如果步槍能越來越走向 殺傷 非殺死 是比較好的

但是不保證躺在地上唉唉叫的 不會反咬你一口

至少 傷兵要人照顧是真的